Anyone else remember when LaLa said to use the angle choir candles (Power, Seraphim, Dominion etc.) with spell or conjure candles to enhance? She mentioned they were good for getting the spirits to honor your petition. Has anyone done this? If so did you conjure the angels first then followed with the Solomon ritual? @Ife- Grow, Learn, Evolve can you give insight plz? Thank you 🙏🏾
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Yes you can conjure both. I do all the time. In no specific order. I work a lot with the choirs. Actually calling then you don’t really need to do both. They are higher spirits unless your layering.
@Asassy55 mention of high magic (thank you!) lead me to research the differences in case anyone cares to read:
Breakdown via chat gpt but plz continue to read up on your own.
⚖️ Why invoking Choir Angels = High Magic
Invoking the angelic choirs — like Seraphim, Cherubim, Thrones, Dominions, Powers, Virtues, Principalities, Archangels, and Angels — is considered high magic because:
1. 🔝 Alignment with Divine Order (Kabbalistic & Celestial Hierarchy)
The choir angels represent cosmic intelligences closer to the divine source (especially the top triad: Seraphim, Cherubim, Thrones). Invoking them acknowledges and channels the energy of divine will, cosmic law, and universal harmony — the essence of high magic.
2. 👑 Work Through Divine Intercession, Not Force
High magic emphasizes petition, alignment, and elevation, not domination. By invoking the choirs, you’re asking for permission and alignment with divine architecture before working with “lower” spirits. It is theurgic, not just thaumaturgic.
3. 🕊️ Theurgy vs Goetia
High magic (theurgy) involves union with the divine, spiritual elevation, and working through a hierarchy that flows down from God to the practitioner. Invoking higher angels places you within a divine current. This is more than just getting results — it’s about purification, elevation, and authority.
4. 🧱 Ritual Protocol from Grimoires
Many Solomonic texts (like The Key of Solomon, Heptameron, Liber Juratus) instruct magicians to first invoke the highest names of God and their emissaries (like the choir angels) before calling planetary or elemental spirits. It’s about building a chain of command — from God to Archangel to Angel to Spirit — reinforcing your authority.
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🔥 Why skipping Choir Angels = Lesser Magic
When practitioners only conjure Solomonic spirits (e.g., planetary angels, Olympic spirits, Goetic demons), it leans toward lesser or practical magic because:
1. 🧰 It’s More Transactional and Outcome-Focused
Lesser magic often deals with material needs or influence (love, money, control, etc.) without invoking divine will. It uses ritual as a tool for control rather than communion with divine intelligence.
2. 📉 Working Lower on the Ladder
Solomonic spirits — particularly the 72 spirits of the Goetia or planetary intelligences — are lower in the cosmological hierarchy than the choirs. They’re closer to the material realm, making them easier to access but less spiritually “elevated.”
3. 🪬 Lack of Divine Chain of Authority
Without invoking the higher choirs, the magician assumes personal power alone is enough to command spirits — which is riskier and lacks the protective scaffolding that high ritual provides.
4. 🪄 Operative, not Transformative
Lesser magic is often about causing change in the world. High magic is about changing the magician, aligning them with divine intelligence.
In summary high magic reduces the risk - due to divine backing
Is Ife Grown Learn Evolve still active on this forum?? She's been tagged quite a bit with no response, fyi.
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